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From: [e-mail] (Marion Reyling)
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Subject: Re: How to use SLIP to connect PC/486 to SPARC10 through MODEM? (revision)

Ray Fan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is anybody in this newsgroup using SLIP with
: Xappeal or Micro X-DOS? I mean
: to use such a package to connect a 486 PC to
: a SPARC10 unix machine through a MODEM remotely?

: What I'd like to do is to turn my PC into an
: X terminal to run Sun OpenWin apps.
: (I could connect my PC - using a modem -
: to that SPARC10 machine through a modem server,
: then I could execute some UNIX commands - but
: can't run any graphics apps. at all.)

: Regarding my question: "How to turn a PC into an
: X terminal to run Sun OpenWin apps. through a modem
: connection?", I got quite a few answers from other
: newsgroups and they suggest I use Micro X-DOS or
: Xappeal - I found both support SLIP connection (i.e.
: using MODEM), but there is no specific details found
: in both manuals about how to use them (I mean
: How to make a connection through a MODEM - they
: got "slipper" included though).

I assume you mean what are the steps, in order to actually
make the connection.  First, you dial up and get the other
end to load slip; *then* exit your communications program
without disconnecting, load the slip driver into memory at
your end, and start the X-server program.

You can get XAppeal as a trial demo for 30 days from
oak.oakland.edu:pub/msdos/xwindows so you could try it out
before making the investment.  I don't know anything about
Micro X-Dos but would be interested in more information on
it.

Regards,

Marion Reyling
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Brooks)
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Subject: Re: Winsock for token ring?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
|Does anyone know of a winsock that will work with a token ring card?

Steve,

There's probably not a freeware Winsock, but most commercial ones would
support IEEE-802.5 framing, using class-3 drivers. Ours does, and its
not expensive - email us for a European dealer name.

Alternatively, you could try to load the IBMTOKEN packet driver, which
'fakes' an ethernet class-1 packet driver interface over token ring, but
then you have to load all those large DLC drivers.

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From [e-mail] Mon May  9 00:24:28 1994
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Subject: Re: How many bytes can you send?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ping He) writes:
|Hi:
|
|I know that I can use select() to check readability and writability for
|sockets and also use ioctrlsocket() to find out how many bytes which are
|currently queued for me to read without blocking.
|
|Question:
|Is it a way to check exaclty how many bytes I can write without blocking?

Not before-hand, no. The solution is to set the socket to non-blocking
mode, and just keep writing until you get back an error return WSAEWOULDBLOCK.
Then you can use select() to check for writeability before attempting to
send() again. Also, if the socket is non-blocking you don;t need to worry
about usijg ioctlsocket() to see how many bytes are waiting - just read,
and when you get to the end you'll either a) get back less bytes than you
asked for, or b) get back the error WSAEWOULDBLOCK.

You can set a socket into non-blocking mode using ioctlsock(FIONBIO).

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From [e-mail] Mon May  9 00:33:52 1994
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Subject: Re: Does recv() receive what send() sends ?

In article <2qe1nq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
|P. Eivind Jenssen ([e-mail]) wrote:
|: I'm programming with TCP-sockets, and I wonder:
|
|: When I use the send() function, it returns the number of bytes that was
|: sent out on the net.
|: Can i be sure that the recv() function will receive all these datas
|: that was sent, or do I have to tell the 'send-machine' how many bytes
|: I received from it so that it can send the rest of the datas?
|
|: I'd be very grateful if anyone could answer this.
|: Thanks anyway!
|
|send() and recv() use UDP, not TCP; both are based on IP.

WRONG - send() and recv() use whatever protocol the socket was opened
for - TCP for SOCK_STREAM sockets, and UDP for SOCK_DGRAM sockets.

|Anyway: data sent by send() arrives complete or not at all.

This is substantially correct for TCP - the receiver will get every byte sent
by the sender, but note for TCP sockets that the "chunking" wont be preserved.
You could 'send()' three lots of 100 bytes, and the receiver could
recv() it as one lot of 300 bytes, or vice versa.

    UDP is not a reliable protocol, so its entirely possible for you
to send a dtatgram on a SOCK_DGRAM socket, and nothing will arrive at the
other end. Also, if the receiver calls recv() with a too-small buffer, it
will only get the first portion, and the overflow will be lost from the
datagram.

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From [e-mail] Mon May  9 00:18:33 1994
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Subject: Re: The purpose of this news group: netsurfing?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Clouden) writes:
|In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tore Haraldsen) writes:
|>I have read this group since the beginning, and I observe the noise level is
|>growing each week, the noise being of the type "How do I setup xxxx
|>communications package" or "how do I make SLIP/PPP work" or "why do this
|>(winsock) application not behave to my needs". Winsock programming is almost
|>extinct in this group. As a matter of fact, most stuff is only indirectly
|>related to winsock.
|>Maybe we need a new news group: alt.netsurf or (why not) alt.winsurf ?
|
|>-- tore
|
|I couldn't agree more. Although I just recently hooked into the net and
|therefore, alt.winsock, it seems that the primary focus is winsock utility
|availability, what is winsock, and hey - How about that latest Mosaic?
|
|If i'm reading the wrong newsgroup for winsock programming discussion, then
|please point me to the correct one. But it seems to me that these 'stray'
|discussions need a better home.

You _are_ reading the wrong group! Windows sockets discussions started in a
mailing list - [e-mail]. This was split a while ago into
two - winsock-users, and winsock-hackers and moved sites. Then 'winsock-users'
was gated to the newsgroup when alt.winsock was created. Windows Sockets
 _programming_ is still discussed on the mailing list
[e-mail] - email winsock-hackers-request@sunsite.. to
be added to the list.

    Note also, that the 'winsock' mailing list will soon be gated
to the newsgroup 'comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip', where winsock
discussion should move to, so as to allow those sites that don't get alt
newsgroups to participate. IN fact, all alt.winsock traffic should go there
now. Winsock Programming discussions should now take place in
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.networks, and the winsock-hackers mailing list
will be gated there soon, too.

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From [e-mail] Fri May  9 23:16:15 1994
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Subject: Re: WWW and FTP

>>>I am running WINFTPD as my FTP server.  I can't seem to log in to my

>>Alun's FTP server doesn't support the PASSW format for anonymous logins.
>>WinQVT/NET's FTP server does, but it crashes after a failed login...
>>If you find a better FTP daemon, please post.

>I am using WS_FTP. Only been using it for a few days but it seems pretty good.

Just some terminology here.... WFTPD and QVT/NET FTP server are both FTP
*servers* or *daemons*... WS_FTP is an FTP *client*.  You use the client
to connect to the server/daemon/host.
-Rick
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From: [e-mail] (Alex McLintock)
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Subject: Winsock over non TCP/IP

Section 10.1 of the FAQ said that Windows Sockets works over other
Protocols but no details were available.
====
I am going to investigate a Novell IPX system which means
that you are presented with a WINSOCK.DLL on the PC, and the
net traffic from it comes out _at the Novell Fileserver_.

This is Novix by FireFox.

Since no one on the net seems to have used this product is anyone
interested in my results? I shall be using it over the next
month and I need to resign from alt.winsock due to the traffic.

Mail me to be kept informed.

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Subject: Problems with 2400 baud setting

I'm using beta 6 of Trumpet winsock and trying to perform slip dial-in to
our terminal server.  With the baud setting greater than 2400, I'm able to
connect to the terminal server and perform bootp.  Once the same modem is
set for 2400 buad, I'm able to connect to the terminal server but get
"unable to perform bootp".  This is happening with multiple modems.  Is
someone else experiencing these problems ???? Suggestions and any other info
would be greatly appreciated....

Thanks
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From: [e-mail] (Larry J. Clay)
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Subject: Re: Recs for GOOD MAIL PROGRAM

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kenneth I. Saichek) writes:

>Can someone please recommend a good PC mail reader program, one that has all
>the perks of Eudora without the bugs? I'm using a SLIP account with
>Windows 3.1 and Trumpet Winsock.  Eudora has been trashing my letters before I
>get to read them.  QVTWinsock is too stripped down.  I need to be able to
>import text, and ideally, filter incoming mail into different mailboxes.  But
>any improvement over the abovementioned would be greatly appreciated.  Please
>write or post.  Thanks!

I have been using PC Eudora for over a year now. First the free one, ver 1.4
and now the not free ver 2.0.2 and I have not ever had it trash my mail.
Perhaps there is something amiss with your setup, ether with Eudora or
Windows. If you would provide a more detailed discription of the problem maybe
someone on the list could help you.

For my money, Eudora is the best mail program out there. Now if I could just
get a good news reader! I'm using the latest version of the Trumpet news
reader and it sucks at best.